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From Hannah: <\/strong>When we came to the end of recording our second monster episode<\/a> on Halloween, I jokingly claimed that the 1999 version of The Mummy<\/a> <\/em>was the “greatest love story of all time,” to which our guest Michael Chemers declared, “All monster stories are love stories.” And we named (and have since named) a ton of examples from Warm Bodies<\/a> <\/em>to Creature from the Black Lagoon<\/a><\/em> and Shape of Water<\/a> <\/em>to the Swamp Thing and Abby Holland and King Kong and all the different versions of Beauty and the Beast<\/a>,<\/em> and The Forest of Hands and Teeth<\/a><\/em> suggested by listener Connie Deighan Eaton. (And, obviously, vampires, but please can we stop talking about Twilight<\/a><\/em>?) And now we’re recording our first threequel episode with guests Michael Chemers and Heather Duda on monster love stories just in time for Valentine’s Day.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

 (And as an aside, Cupid has his own kinda-sorta monster love story<\/a> but no one will want to talk about that, probably. Then again, I didn’t expect my declaration about the Mummy<\/em> to spark an episode but here we are.)<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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In our initial planning conversation with Michael and Heather about this episode, Heather asked how are we defining both the terms “monster” and “love.” The question of how we define what a monster is may be particularly relevant to the theme of this show because some of the most well-known love stories like Disney’s version of Beauty and the Beast<\/em> take up exactly this question (as does Shape of Water<\/em>) by juxtaposing handsome, toxic abusers with kind “monsters.” Love is also a tricky term. Is it merely attraction or sentimental feeling? That certainly is the case in some of these stories. I think that sociologist Niklas Luhmann’s definition of love (see his book Love as Passion<\/a><\/em>) as a form of intimate understanding between two people could help us think about the relationships in the monster genre. The ability to communicate across difference plays a large role in my examples of Beauty and the Beast<\/em> and Shape of Water <\/em>and the failure to communicate certainly creates tragic love stories in this genre.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

So are all monster stories secretly stories about love? We’ve also talked a lot about eroticism and sexuality in relation to monsters, so is love a different but related category or is it the same? What are the best examples of the monster love story across popular culture (besides The Mummy, <\/em>of course)? <\/p>\n\n\n\n

We’re excited to welcome Michael and Heather back for another great discussion and we’d appreciate listener input for this one. <\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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