{"id":8181,"date":"2021-06-26T14:39:00-04:00","date_gmt":"2021-06-26T18:39:00+00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/goshgollywow.com\/?p=1398"},"modified":"2025-11-25T12:05:59-05:00","modified_gmt":"2025-11-25T17:05:59+00:00","slug":"excalibur-17-from-the-crucible-a-captain","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/voxpopcast.com\/wp\/2021\/06\/26\/excalibur-17-from-the-crucible-a-captain\/","title":{"rendered":"Excalibur #17: \u201cFrom the Crucible&#8211;A Captain?\u201d"},"content":{"rendered":"<h4>Excalibur #17<\/h4>\n<h1>\u201cFrom the Crucible &#8211; A Captain?\u201d<\/h1>\n<p>Writer: Chris Clarement\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Pencils: Alan Davis\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Inks: Paul Neary\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Colors: Nelson Yomtov\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Letters: Jade Moede\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Editor: Terry Kavanagh\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Original publication date: December 1989<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Excalibur #17: \u201cFrom the Crucible\u2014A Captain?\u201d\" allowtransparency=\"true\" height=\"150\" width=\"100%\" style=\"border: none; min-width: min(100%, 430px);\" scrolling=\"no\" data-name=\"pb-iframe-player\" src=\"https:\/\/www.podbean.com\/player-v2\/?i=24u72-1073c3e-pb&#038;from=pb6admin&#038;share=1&#038;download=1&#038;rtl=0&#038;fonts=Arial&#038;skin=1&#038;font-color=auto&#038;logo_link=episode_page&#038;btn-skin=7\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>In this episode, Anna, Mav, and Andrew are joined by <a href=\"https:\/\/www.comicsxf.com\/author\/lizbethanne\/\">Liz Large<\/a> of ComicsXF to ride a \u201cWarlord\u201d-inspired hangover straight into a never-ending bacchanalian party, discussing drinking, dancing, and dueling in Excalibur #17, \u201cFrom the Crucible\u2014A Captain?\u201d When we\u2019re not unpacking what might be the series\u2019 most explicit sex scene (featuring none other than Alistaire Stuart), we work through the re-traumatization of Rachel and make a rare detour into the present, discussing depictions of sexuality\u2014and Nightcrawler\u2014in current X-Men comics. Also, we read a very important missive from \u201cMeggan fans everywhere\u201d courtesy of the Sword Strokes letters page.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>This episode has an enhanced video version! Watch here:<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;I love the sexual energy involved here, but I\u2019m not overly fond of the convention of a guy being \u2018gifted\u2019 with \u2018five super-hot identical ladies.\u2019 It undercuts some of the gender subversion we saw in the previous issue, reverting to a more generic macho fantasy.&#8221; -Anna<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;We\u2019ve talked a lot about the sexual symbolism of Excalibur. Relevant to that: Brian has sex with a planet here. Meggan is surging with all the repressed energy of the planet, yearning for release.&#8221; -Andrew<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;The first time I encountered the Kymri\/Alistaire scene, at 27-years-old, I thought it was shockingly explicit for a mainstream superhero comic. There\u2019s dampness and natural-ness, his hand is clearly rising from her naked breast, and the pose strongly suggests we\u2019re seeing on-panel penetration.&#8221; -Anna<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;It\u2019s interesting comparing it to \u2018Kitty\u2019s Fairy Tale\u2019 because there, she\u2019s making up the story. Here, we\u2019re supposed to infer that she didn\u2019t. And in the Fairy Tale, she gives herself a central role. She\u2019s leading the pirate charge, she\u2019s having a great time, and having all these adventures. But here, she\u2019s on the outside, telling the story of her friends- and making fun of them.&#8221; -Liz<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;I loved the rare reference to her being afraid of him, showing how far they\u2019ve come since those early X-Men days, and how deep their bond has become.&#8221; -Anna<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;A charitable reading of re-traumatizing Rachel is that it speaks to her circularity. The same things keep happening to her again and again, in part because she\u2019s avoiding her power. At the end, she embraces it, and it\u2019s both wondrous and terrifying. Rachel can literally raise the dead.&#8221; -Anna<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;I think Rachel feels very lonely all the time. A lot of the time she\u2019s very directionless. She joins the team, and participates, but it doesn\u2019t feel like she\u2019s going anywhere.&#8221; -Liz<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;I loved the parallelism of the recap page. The sense of Rachel going everywhere, but not really getting anywhere. I think that\u2019s really essential to who she is as a character.&#8221; -Andrew<\/p>\n<p>You can find her writing at <a href=\"https:\/\/www.comicsxf.com\/author\/lizbethanne\/\">ComicsXF<\/a>, where she reviews Hellions, Doctor Aphra, and New Mutants, and contributes to various other comics and culture projects, including the site\u2019s <a href=\"https:\/\/www.comicsxf.com\/2021\/04\/06\/excalibur-primer\/\">Excalibur Primer<\/a>, co-written with the pod\u2019s own Anna!<\/p>\n<p>You can find Anna and Jude Jones\u2019 review of <a href=\"https:\/\/www.comicsxf.com\/2021\/06\/23\/fallout-at-the-hellfire-gala-in-sword-6-wolverine-13-way-of-x-3\/\"><em>Way of X<\/em> #3 for ComicsXF<\/a> here (warning: contains spoilers).<\/p>\n<p><strong>And as usual:\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>You can find Anna on Twitter (<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/peppard_anna\">@peppard_anna<\/a>) and on her podcast with Andrew and Michael Hancock,\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/threepanelcontrast.podbean.com\/\">Three Panel Contrast<\/a>\u00a0(<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/3PanelContrast\">@3PanelContrast<\/a>).\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>You can find Andrew on Twitter (<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/ClaremontRun\">@ClaremontRun<\/a>).<\/p>\n<p>You can find Mav on Twitter (<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/chrismaverick\">@chrismaverick<\/a>) and on his podcast,\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/voxpopcast.com\/wp\/\">VoxPopcast<\/a>\u00a0(<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/VoxPopcast\">@VoxPopcast<\/a>).\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Enjoy!<\/p>\n<p>-GGW Team\u00a0<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Excalibur #17 \u201cFrom the Crucible &#8211; 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